Ukraine Crisis | Do Ukrainians Want War? – Local Deputy
With select comment thread from The Vineyardsaker blog
SELECT COMMENTS
(Warning! Some opinions are, as usual, by idiots or the preternaturally confused; fortunately, many more by smart, reasonable people.)
dusty said…
If anyone has any connection to that woman or her YouTube account get her to delete the video straight away. She sounds like a ranting harpie.
She may be making good points but nobody is going to listen to her unless they already know her and are predisposed to agree with whatever she is saying.
She will persuade nobody with that video.
And for those who might argue with me about this, remember that the ‘how’ we communicate is at least as important as ‘what’ we say. Her tone and body language threatened me from her first words.
tonyw said…
I would not like to get on the wrong side of her! Seriously, a great message, will promote this video.
Anonymous said…
-There is also talk now of Right Sector [Note: Praviy Sector] issuing a 48 hour warning to the Kiev Junta [Note: Confirmed], that they will stop fighting and march on Kiev if their demands are not met!-
I do want to warn for this kind of publications.
It may aswell the opposite will happen.
Good luck Novo!!
Anonymous said…
Truth is beauty and beauty is truth!
Robin Morritt said…
Great video. Well said. Bravo.
Anonymous said…
Saker, you need to read this, a first class analysis of the background.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article46930.html
JohninMK
Anonymous said…
Anon 20:30,
Yes the other right sector leader got assasinated a few months ago, by proberly by kiev junta (after some arguments).
Mostly this leader (Yarosh) will be “dealt with” also the same way.
But this is one of few times i actually root for the neo-nazis.
Best is if neo-nazis (right secor/svoboda) opens up a second front in west ukraine.
The junta cant attack on two fronts (and atleast not without the neo-nazis hooligans).
The neo-nazis is the juntas “falesafe” for holding armytroops in check. (Extortion, killing, shelling any army troops who abandoned their positions. Making it hopeless for alot of armypeople to desert/run away).
Without the nazy thugs in the rear, it will be much harder for the junta to hold their own army in line.
Anonymous said…
Sorry lady it’s too late now,
Ukraine has died in Odessa.
Waving yellow & blue flag and asking people to stop fighting is just like waving red flag in front of a bull asking him to calm down.
Ukraine is dead and nobody can do anything about it any more.
End of story.
Lumi said…
This is a war and people are being killed. Really. And you feel threatened by a lady’s words and body language? Try Disney Land vor a change.
Anonymous said…
The are loosing and they know it. Two questions for anyone peddling this kind of stories:
1. Where were you last winter?
2. What did you personally do, then and now, to protest situation and defend constitutional order?
And please, do not try to switch flag nor unbutton one more. These will not work on those who are going through hell of Donbas.
Anonymous said…
To Dusty 20:01
Have you ever been the victim of the war? Or being the victim of the desperate situation?
Or are you just trolling here………?
Anonymous said…
I would pay money to see Local Deputy Lady use her harpie witchcraft and kick Dusty’s keister in a UFC type match. Local Deputy Lady needs to run for president. She should produce another video, educating people over there to look west, far west, to help spread the blame.
Anonymous said…
@Dusty what the hell is a harpie? She sounds alright to me – she might not be familiar with slick public relations spin but she makes appeals with a genuine nature.
Ultimately this is a tragedy – ukranian men and civilians donbass are dying for a regime composed of psychopathic oligarchs and nazi soccer hooligans.
Those in Ukraine that can see through the partisan ethnic politics need to unify their voice and get the scumbags out of government and into courtrooms facing judgment for abuse of power, war crimes, etc.
Nora said…
Wow. Courage, passion, facts. I’m proud it was a woman speaking up like this too — very, very proud indeed. So dusty, I could not disagree with you more — not only did she do an excellent job, people absolutely will listen.
Unless they don’t want to, of course, bc they’re too tied in with the Junta and those who control it. I.e., those who are battling hard to maintain the brutal, thieving and utterly destructuve Anglo-Zionist Empire. If the shoe fits…
Petri Krohn said…
Viktoria Shilova (Виктория Шилова) is a member of the Dnipropetrovsk City Council and Oleg Lyashko’s Radical Party. A Maidanite rat if there ever was one.
Video recorded August 13. Original here:
Виктория Шилова. Хотят ли украинцы войны?
The Ukrainian Civil War has now killed 22,000 people, including 6,000 civilians. The loses of the Ukrainian army and irregular forces are 12,000 killed and 7,000 wounded.
***
Who is “dusty” @ 20:01 anyway? This is one of the strongest statements I have heard for ages!
Anonymous said…
Dusty=Troll Troll=Dusty
Coldtype said…
Dusty is the classic liberal archetype. Perception and incrementalism under all circumstances up to and including existential threats. Liberals are utterly worthless in revolutionary settings and it’s best to ignore them until the battle is won.
Anonymous said…
dusty, people get emotional because in all likelihood, they have lost someone – or more than one, in particular an INNOCENT civilian – to a murdering traitor working on behalf of foreigners.
I’d like to see YOUR video, after someone close to you gets killed by your Government, which calls civilians ‘terrorists’. On the other hand, perhaps you are one of those people who are simply defficient in HUMANITY, and empathy. Has that poroshitko been reading goebbels?
Anonymous said…
She is of course, quite right. How the Ukrainian army, nay, war CRIMINALS, can deliberately target civilian areas with imprecise GRADS, shelling blocks of flats etc, killing people in wheelchairs, and the elderly, those who are the least able to flee and are dependent on others, not to mention the children and babies being killed…neo-nazi thugs they are, and the idiots are naturally too stupid to see that they are being used, and will receive the blame, if they do not die in the meantime.
As for you dusty, go to youtube and look in the eyes of the lady with the red top, who was more than likely murdered in Luhansk on June 02, and come back here and report your feelings on seeing that. I bet you won’t though.
Dacian said…
Dusty,
You are a sore loser. The lady is Great. This.is.a.call.to.arms. No more “negotiations”. Go Novorossia! You have everything to gain. And we all look up to you and cheer for this success.
Dacian
Anonymous said…
For those readers, who want a quick heads up on what’s going on in the Ukraine, they need to
understand it in the context of the American blueprint, the Project for the New American Century, signed off by the neocons and the likes of cheney, which describes in essence what the US needs to do to remain, and retain, its status as THE world’s (military) superpower, this century, while pursuing its goal of ‘national interests’ meaning of course that the Yanks will do as they please regarding the world’s resources, with emphasis on the ME and the Caspian area, and I might as well throw in the survey done by the USG in Afghanistan describing its mineral wealth at $1 trillion. (But leave out Unocal and the pipeline). Those who believe it was about obl should stop reading now, and go and watch those disney cartoons.
Then of course, there’s the EU, which wants to expand eastwards, and suck up those countries,
formerly of the USSR, of the Eastern Partnership, into the EU (eventually), joined to the US
militarily through NATO.
There is more to this than that, but that’s the most important, at this stage. Besides, it would
take too long, but what is happening in the Ukraine is the detail, and guess which pawn is being played at the moment, and what often happens to them, sadly. However, I’m somewhat more optimistic for the Ukrainians…
Nora said…
Coldtype,
Dusty is a troll, plain and simple. He could be a Conservative, Liberal, Nazi, Zionist, whatever: what’s crystal clear is that he’s invested in the AZ Empire and doing its bidding. Liberals may be fools and a lot of them are still clearly flummoxed by Obama but it wasn’t Liberals who supported the Iraq War and called everyone who opposed it a traitor — or have you forgotten? (Lots and lots of Conservatives seem to have very poor memories on that and somehow have convinced themselves they were against it all along. Bull Bleep — I remember.) I might add that this whole mess is a Neocon project, and those guys who planned it and carried out are anything but Liberal. So cut the crap about Liberals, or take your hate elsewhere. Also too, Patriots talk a good game, but where are they when they’re needed, like right now in Ferguson? * crickets *
